Gates: I was really pleased with it. I think the second season, the episodes looked better. We certainly went to some really remote places. I think we sort of pushed the envelope a little bit more. We went to really cold environments this year, some really exotic spots in Southeast Asia, and the creatures we were looking for were just as interesting as they were before. So I'm really happy with it. I think it turned out great.There are similar sorts of shows on the air. So why do you think Destination Truth has clicked so much with viewers?

Gates: I think the show works because it's an amalgam of different shows. It is an investigation show and it certainly has, obviously, at its core, this looking-for-monsters kind of element. But it's also, I think, a travel show. It's a food show sometimes. And really, I think the rough and tumble style of bringing the viewer along shotgun to sort of go on this adventure with us makes it appealing. It invites them to be a part of the adventure.What's the holy grail that's still out there? What's the creature that you're dying to track down?

Gates: Well, the yeti was big this year. And I think that one of the things we're going to look to do in the future, expand it beyond just animals and go to lost cities and civilizations, and maybe expand it beyond just cryptozoological things. So there's a lot more out there for us to look for.

Jason Hawes and Grant Wilson, how amazed are you that you're four years into Ghost Hunters?

Hawes: Honestly, we thought we'd do 10 episodes and then it'd get canceled and then we'd just get back to our lives.

Wilson: We actually turned it down five times because we're family guys and we understand what TV does. So to be in our fourth season, it's just crazy to us.



Your wives weren't thrilled initially. What do they make of it all now?

Hawes: It's not that the wives weren't keen about it, but the first episode that aired, my wife had just been home for three days after giving birth to my twin sons, and then we're telling her we have to take off for a couple of weeks to Altoona, Pa.

Wilson: My wife has three boys at home. So she deserves a Purple Heart. They're all under the age of 10.After all this time, what are you still learning about out what's really out there?

Hawes: Every day is a new learning adventure. Every day you find something new. It's funny, because it doesn't always have to be paranormal. Sometimes it can be psychological. There are so many different factors that fall into this realm it's incredible.

Wilson: We find out that, day by day, as the show gets more and more popular, we're getting more and more welcomed by scientists and inventors. In fact, we just called into Wright-Patterson Air Force Base by the United States Air Force. We had to get clearance through the Pentagon and everything. That's just a benchmark for us, that we're making strides. We're trying to get people to understand that this is more acceptable. That's what I'm discovering more and more every day, is how [accepted] we are now.At the end of the day, what do you think it is about what you do that fascinates people?

Hawes: Well, the main point is that we're two normal guys who are down-to-earth, blue-collar guys, and we're going in trying to figure out what's really going on. We're not walking in saying, "Yup, the place is haunted," with no proof to solidify those claims. We're going in to try to figure it out, to explain, and that's what sets us apart from most [similar shows].

Wilson: I think everybody has some kind of interest in the paranormal or has had an experience or thinks they've had. We've been to space, we've been to the depths of the sea, and I think it's the last true frontier for us. It's a new science. And hopefully it will turn into a science someday.Be honest, what's scarier, the things you're encountering or the people you're dealing with?

Hawes: Most of the time it's the people we're dealing with, because the living can cause you harm; you've got to remember that. It's not the dead that got a .357 under their pillow or a shotgun behind the door or ...

Wilson: Yeah, you read every day in the paper about people killing people. You don't read about ghosts killing people. So we're not afraid of ghosts, but the people can creep us out a little bit. What's it like to be the world's most famous plumbers?

Hawes: I think Mario and Luigi have us beat.

Wilson: The Nintendo guys.

Hawes: But we're coming up on a close second, we think.

You guys have been at this, either separately or together, for 18 years. How strange is it to make a living at this?

Wilson: It's weird. It's been a hobby for our lives. We both worked in computer systems, and then we were plumbers to put food on the table and to buy the tapes and the equipment to investigate. And now, here it is. It's interesting. It's kind of an investigator's dream to just be able to go wherever and investigate.You mentioned that you both have kids. How would you feel if they followed you into the business?

Hawes: You know, Grant and I are both big family men. It's funny, both of our children have already shown so much interest in the paranormal, where they want to get involved. And we feel someday they'll take the helm and they'll probably surpass us in this field. That'll be great. Grant and I can kick back in our wheelchairs or in our rockers on the front porch and sayonara, good luck to them.

Wilson: There's got to be another generation.